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		<title>By: Drifter</title>
		<link>http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/nurses-getting-older/comment-page-1/#comment-7393</link>
		<dc:creator>Drifter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in my second year of nursing in WA and things are looking dismal here. The pay is &#039;ok&#039; but the conditions are crap, not to mention the lack of jobs available - thanks Liberals for your continuing budget cuts across the public sector.

I love this job, helping people, but the conditions I work under makes me feel like a slave. Morale is low and I can&#039;t see myself slogging my guts out doing this forever, certainly not into my 60s - it&#039;s just not worth it.

As such I am seriously considering voting with my feet and going overseas where I will be appreciated instead of banging my head against a brick wall trying to get management to speak up for us rather than imposing state government regulations with no consultation. The problem with us nurses is we are too nice. We just keep taking it so they keep dishing more out. We are good at bitching to each other but not to the decision makers. No wonder school leavers study other things. The way we do things needs reform. We study for 3 - 3.5 years and get paid less than cops and graduate teachers. Little consideration is given to work/life balance and we have to work late/earlies without adequate sleep. Nurse managers tell you &quot;it&#039;s not in the award&quot; to expect to start on a late and finish on an early and although we need management, it is too top heavy. A satisfaction survey released from earlier this year unanimously indicated management as the number one gripe among nurses in WA. So although they&#039;ve earned their stripes and moved off the &#039;floor&#039; as such, they need to figure out how to be part of the team as opposed to the us up here vs them down there mentality. Non management nurses would support management I think if they felt they were being listened to. 

I agree with the above comment about how narky experienced nurses can be to new comers. It&#039;s not on. I wonder if they have any idea how deeply it hurts new nurses when someone rolls their eyes at having to preceptor them or basically ditches them during the shift so they have to fend for themselves? I had to preceptor in my first year and I can assure you, they feel stupid, worthless, lost and inadequate when it happens. This also comes back to pressures on existing staff to manage tight patient loads with frequent staff shortages coupled (again) with a lack of support.

Also, what ever happened to actually caring for patients? They are the ones who miss out while we run up and down the corridors putting out fires all shift. On the odd occasion that I do have time to sit down and actually listen to them, they are so grateful for some TLC and genuine human contact and it is an unusual experience for them. How sad is that?

Surely we can all put our heads together and come up with a better system of delivering quality nursing care that supports better patient outcomes whilst addressing the issue of attracting and retaining staff. For example, the rostering system here is archaic and should be hauled off the nearest cliff. I am no expert on alternatives, but the more energetic nurses that I&#039;ve spoken to have been highly in favour of a 12 hour shift so they can have more of a life outside of work. This could be offset by nurses who do not wish or are unable to work long shifts. Flexibility is the key and recognising that we are individuals rather than soldier ants. There is more than one way to skin a FTE arrangement, not to mention part time and casual work.

Instead of burning out experienced nurses, give them the proper opportunity to pass on their skills without the pressure of having to manage and coordinate at the same time - this could be allocated time within the working week. The newer nurses are keen to learn but instead they get caught up in the chaos as well and do their best to keep their heads above water.

Something needs to be done because patients are living longer and with more chronic conditions and nurses are about to become fewer and fewer judging by the above comments. We are smart professionals who can figure this out, we just haven&#039;t come together and thought of the answers yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in my second year of nursing in WA and things are looking dismal here. The pay is &#8216;ok&#8217; but the conditions are crap, not to mention the lack of jobs available &#8211; thanks Liberals for your continuing budget cuts across the public sector.</p>
<p>I love this job, helping people, but the conditions I work under makes me feel like a slave. Morale is low and I can&#8217;t see myself slogging my guts out doing this forever, certainly not into my 60s &#8211; it&#8217;s just not worth it.</p>
<p>As such I am seriously considering voting with my feet and going overseas where I will be appreciated instead of banging my head against a brick wall trying to get management to speak up for us rather than imposing state government regulations with no consultation. The problem with us nurses is we are too nice. We just keep taking it so they keep dishing more out. We are good at bitching to each other but not to the decision makers. No wonder school leavers study other things. The way we do things needs reform. We study for 3 &#8211; 3.5 years and get paid less than cops and graduate teachers. Little consideration is given to work/life balance and we have to work late/earlies without adequate sleep. Nurse managers tell you &#8220;it&#8217;s not in the award&#8221; to expect to start on a late and finish on an early and although we need management, it is too top heavy. A satisfaction survey released from earlier this year unanimously indicated management as the number one gripe among nurses in WA. So although they&#8217;ve earned their stripes and moved off the &#8216;floor&#8217; as such, they need to figure out how to be part of the team as opposed to the us up here vs them down there mentality. Non management nurses would support management I think if they felt they were being listened to. </p>
<p>I agree with the above comment about how narky experienced nurses can be to new comers. It&#8217;s not on. I wonder if they have any idea how deeply it hurts new nurses when someone rolls their eyes at having to preceptor them or basically ditches them during the shift so they have to fend for themselves? I had to preceptor in my first year and I can assure you, they feel stupid, worthless, lost and inadequate when it happens. This also comes back to pressures on existing staff to manage tight patient loads with frequent staff shortages coupled (again) with a lack of support.</p>
<p>Also, what ever happened to actually caring for patients? They are the ones who miss out while we run up and down the corridors putting out fires all shift. On the odd occasion that I do have time to sit down and actually listen to them, they are so grateful for some TLC and genuine human contact and it is an unusual experience for them. How sad is that?</p>
<p>Surely we can all put our heads together and come up with a better system of delivering quality nursing care that supports better patient outcomes whilst addressing the issue of attracting and retaining staff. For example, the rostering system here is archaic and should be hauled off the nearest cliff. I am no expert on alternatives, but the more energetic nurses that I&#8217;ve spoken to have been highly in favour of a 12 hour shift so they can have more of a life outside of work. This could be offset by nurses who do not wish or are unable to work long shifts. Flexibility is the key and recognising that we are individuals rather than soldier ants. There is more than one way to skin a FTE arrangement, not to mention part time and casual work.</p>
<p>Instead of burning out experienced nurses, give them the proper opportunity to pass on their skills without the pressure of having to manage and coordinate at the same time &#8211; this could be allocated time within the working week. The newer nurses are keen to learn but instead they get caught up in the chaos as well and do their best to keep their heads above water.</p>
<p>Something needs to be done because patients are living longer and with more chronic conditions and nurses are about to become fewer and fewer judging by the above comments. We are smart professionals who can figure this out, we just haven&#8217;t come together and thought of the answers yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/nurses-getting-older/comment-page-1/#comment-4894</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ronald - Hi there.  Look, don&#039;t regret missing out on a career you&#039;re interested in.  Just get in and give it a go - you&#039;ll find out soon enough if it&#039;s not for you.
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Nursing can be stressful, depending on where you work &amp; what the circumstances are.  The hours can be tiring etc also.  I am shouted at by drunks/druggies/losers/psych patients etc just about every week in emergency!  Don&#039;t think ever by any doctors, most are pretty cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ronald &#8211; Hi there.  Look, don&#8217;t regret missing out on a career you&#8217;re interested in.  Just get in and give it a go &#8211; you&#8217;ll find out soon enough if it&#8217;s not for you.<br />
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Nursing can be stressful, depending on where you work &#038; what the circumstances are.  The hours can be tiring etc also.  I am shouted at by drunks/druggies/losers/psych patients etc just about every week in emergency!  Don&#8217;t think ever by any doctors, most are pretty cool.</p>
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		<title>By: ronald valdesancho</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronald valdesancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ross,

I am 37 years old and am considering of studying again and going into nursing as a second profession. My timetable is that I need at least 3 years of schooling plus another 3 years to have a good experience. Would you advise me to continue with this plan?
Is nursing really stressful? Have you experienced being shouted by doctors and patients alike?

Hoping for your reply.  Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ross,</p>
<p>I am 37 years old and am considering of studying again and going into nursing as a second profession. My timetable is that I need at least 3 years of schooling plus another 3 years to have a good experience. Would you advise me to continue with this plan?<br />
Is nursing really stressful? Have you experienced being shouted by doctors and patients alike?</p>
<p>Hoping for your reply.  Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/nurses-getting-older/comment-page-1/#comment-3745</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@George - Hi, thanks for visiting.  &quot;You only started and already feel you don&#039;t want to do this forever&quot;.  Actually I&#039;ve been doing this for 10 years - if that&#039;s &#039;only starting&#039; you should look up the figures for length of time spent in jobs, you might be surprised what you pick up in ten years!
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I&#039;m not entirely sure that overseas nurses don&#039;t find Australia nursing attractive at all - would be interesting to read up on where you heard about this...  Also I&#039;m well aware about nursing in the middle east - the pay rate is not quite 3 - 4 times more however, unless you can find somewhere that will pay me $300k for nursing!  It&#039;s true that you can earn one and a half times what you earn here though, and that it&#039;s tax free.  But you have to weigh up the lifestyle and customs of UAE etc and decide whether or not you want to live there (especially when you have a family etc in Australia - not so appealing, unless you like those head to toe coverings for women!)
&#160;
&quot;This should be an indication the profession just doesn&#039;t appeal&quot;.  While I certainly agree that there can be many, many changes made to the nursing profession, pay rates, hours and public perception being a few of these, I still maintain that there definitely are some positives such as flexibility &amp; job security. Thanks for commenting though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@George &#8211; Hi, thanks for visiting.  &#8220;You only started and already feel you don&#8217;t want to do this forever&#8221;.  Actually I&#8217;ve been doing this for 10 years &#8211; if that&#8217;s &#8216;only starting&#8217; you should look up the figures for length of time spent in jobs, you might be surprised what you pick up in ten years!<br />
&nbsp;<br />
I&#8217;m not entirely sure that overseas nurses don&#8217;t find Australia nursing attractive at all &#8211; would be interesting to read up on where you heard about this&#8230;  Also I&#8217;m well aware about nursing in the middle east &#8211; the pay rate is not quite 3 &#8211; 4 times more however, unless you can find somewhere that will pay me $300k for nursing!  It&#8217;s true that you can earn one and a half times what you earn here though, and that it&#8217;s tax free.  But you have to weigh up the lifestyle and customs of UAE etc and decide whether or not you want to live there (especially when you have a family etc in Australia &#8211; not so appealing, unless you like those head to toe coverings for women!)<br />
&nbsp;<br />
&#8220;This should be an indication the profession just doesn&#8217;t appeal&#8221;.  While I certainly agree that there can be many, many changes made to the nursing profession, pay rates, hours and public perception being a few of these, I still maintain that there definitely are some positives such as flexibility &#038; job security. Thanks for commenting though.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as you do not go and prostitute Ross when you decide to leave nursing! LOL, you only started and already feel you don’t want to do this forever.   Let me tell you, I think 80% or higher of the nursing profession would leave sooner or later and you know what, overseas nurses do not find Australia nursing attractive at all, resulting in a greater shortage.   Cost of living and high child care costs just doesn’t make nursing in Australia attractive at all.    For far less stress and much better working conditions overseas nurses can go and work in the Middle East and be paid 3 to 4 times more than in Australia and receive their income tax free.  They also receive annual return flights to their home country and can stay in a compound equal to a 3 – 5 star hotel as part of their working terms.  Why waist your time as a nurse to even consider nursing in Australia.  In one year a nurse can make 4 times her salary in Australia and work under better conditions.  The facts are shocking how many nurses leave the profession in Australia annually.   I don’t see this changing soon.  The worst is the drop out rate of nurses studying is one third.   This should be an indication the profession just doesn’t appeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as you do not go and prostitute Ross when you decide to leave nursing! LOL, you only started and already feel you don’t want to do this forever.   Let me tell you, I think 80% or higher of the nursing profession would leave sooner or later and you know what, overseas nurses do not find Australia nursing attractive at all, resulting in a greater shortage.   Cost of living and high child care costs just doesn’t make nursing in Australia attractive at all.    For far less stress and much better working conditions overseas nurses can go and work in the Middle East and be paid 3 to 4 times more than in Australia and receive their income tax free.  They also receive annual return flights to their home country and can stay in a compound equal to a 3 – 5 star hotel as part of their working terms.  Why waist your time as a nurse to even consider nursing in Australia.  In one year a nurse can make 4 times her salary in Australia and work under better conditions.  The facts are shocking how many nurses leave the profession in Australia annually.   I don’t see this changing soon.  The worst is the drop out rate of nurses studying is one third.   This should be an indication the profession just doesn’t appeal.</p>
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		<title>By: Moff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ross.  Interesting post.  

  I think the problem is actually multi-faceted.  I hear some stories from my friends and everywhere...... I guess what I hear is one of the factors of newer and younger nurses leaving their job.

  I think there are some &#039;older (aging)&#039; (hence much more experienced) nurses who lack of tolerance and consideration towards newer nurses..... being very harsh to the newer nurses (not necessarily, but most often, those novice nurses are younger than them) at times.  They can be gnarly and complaining yet when it comes to them doing their work, those people allow themselves to be sloppy (e.g. Saying, &quot;Well, they can deal with it&quot;). I understand that it must be really tiring for the older (aging) nurses to cope in the environment that they are working ..... but at the same time, I can&#039;t deny that their attitude like that can disadvantage other workers and jeopardize their team work. The younger (or newer) nurses tend to zip it and not to complain about those things, but it certainly does not help keeping their motivation up to remain in the workforce!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ross.  Interesting post.  </p>
<p>  I think the problem is actually multi-faceted.  I hear some stories from my friends and everywhere&#8230;&#8230; I guess what I hear is one of the factors of newer and younger nurses leaving their job.</p>
<p>  I think there are some &#8216;older (aging)&#8217; (hence much more experienced) nurses who lack of tolerance and consideration towards newer nurses&#8230;.. being very harsh to the newer nurses (not necessarily, but most often, those novice nurses are younger than them) at times.  They can be gnarly and complaining yet when it comes to them doing their work, those people allow themselves to be sloppy (e.g. Saying, &#8220;Well, they can deal with it&#8221;). I understand that it must be really tiring for the older (aging) nurses to cope in the environment that they are working &#8230;.. but at the same time, I can&#8217;t deny that their attitude like that can disadvantage other workers and jeopardize their team work. The younger (or newer) nurses tend to zip it and not to complain about those things, but it certainly does not help keeping their motivation up to remain in the workforce!</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matt, thanks for visiting..  Checking out your blog now!  Maybe there is a link with absenteeism, not sure about that one.  Regardless, I&#039;m sure the possibility of a rapid decline in numbers some stage in the near future is a real possibility.  Hmmmm, health care universally needs reform!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt, thanks for visiting..  Checking out your blog now!  Maybe there is a link with absenteeism, not sure about that one.  Regardless, I&#8217;m sure the possibility of a rapid decline in numbers some stage in the near future is a real possibility.  Hmmmm, health care universally needs reform!</p>
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