Comments on: Obese? Get to the back of the line, thanks… http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/obese-get-to-the-back-of-the-line-thanks/ A Nursing Blog about Nursing In Australia Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:03:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: AlaskaAngel http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/obese-get-to-the-back-of-the-line-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-26310 AlaskaAngel Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:40:11 +0000 http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/?p=1514#comment-26310 For whatever it is worth... a discussion will be held this weekend (Saturday for USA, South America, Canada, late evening for Europe, and very early Sunday morning for those Down Under, about a diet plan designed in particular to avoid breast cancer and for those who already have it , to consider as one possible option. The diet is the Pink Ribbon diet, and you might want to check it out to see if you think you or your patients might benefit from it. The discussion is scheduled to be held at 2 PM Eastern Standard Time (USA) at the bcsupport.org website chat. AlaskaAngel For whatever it is worth… a discussion will be held this weekend (Saturday for USA, South America, Canada, late evening for Europe, and very early Sunday morning for those Down Under, about a diet plan designed in particular to avoid breast cancer and for those who already have it , to consider as one possible option. The diet is the Pink Ribbon diet, and you might want to check it out to see if you think you or your patients might benefit from it. The discussion is scheduled to be held at 2 PM Eastern Standard Time (USA) at the bcsupport.org website chat.

AlaskaAngel

]]> By: Jessica http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/obese-get-to-the-back-of-the-line-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-10129 Jessica Tue, 30 Mar 2010 01:39:00 +0000 http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/?p=1514#comment-10129 I am a single mother with 2 children. I am currently studying at uni and as such am not working so receiving centrlink pension. I am also obese. I have been struggling with my weight my whole life. The last time I managed to get to a healthy weight I fell pregnant 2 weeks later and all has come back and more. I am currently at my heaviest weight ever, but not at my biggest as far as height and weight. It is extremely hard to break the cycle of eating and depression, it is extremely hard to find the motivation to walk out the front door and exercise when you feel like everyone is judging you. It is also even harder to fill the trolley on shopping day with healthy fresh food when the not so healthy is more affordable. I have less than $100 per week for food shopping, and with this I must buy my kids school lunches, breakfast items and enough meat and veg for 7 dinner meals. If anyone can tell me how I am supposed to fill my trolley with fresh fruit, vege, low fat everthing, fish and chicken I would like them to come shopping with me. It is not an easy fix and playing hard ball with the health system is not right or fair not matter what the circumstances. Smokers can quit for the same price or cheaper than it cost them to smoke in the first, I know because I quit a month ago, but weight management is a whole other ball game. I am a single mother with 2 children. I am currently studying at uni and as such am not working so receiving centrlink pension. I am also obese. I have been struggling with my weight my whole life. The last time I managed to get to a healthy weight I fell pregnant 2 weeks later and all has come back and more. I am currently at my heaviest weight ever, but not at my biggest as far as height and weight.
It is extremely hard to break the cycle of eating and depression, it is extremely hard to find the motivation to walk out the front door and exercise when you feel like everyone is judging you. It is also even harder to fill the trolley on shopping day with healthy fresh food when the not so healthy is more affordable. I have less than $100 per week for food shopping, and with this I must buy my kids school lunches, breakfast items and enough meat and veg for 7 dinner meals. If anyone can tell me how I am supposed to fill my trolley with fresh fruit, vege, low fat everthing, fish and chicken I would like them to come shopping with me.

It is not an easy fix and playing hard ball with the health system is not right or fair not matter what the circumstances. Smokers can quit for the same price or cheaper than it cost them to smoke in the first, I know because I quit a month ago, but weight management is a whole other ball game.

]]> By: Sandra http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/obese-get-to-the-back-of-the-line-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-8636 Sandra Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:37:30 +0000 http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/?p=1514#comment-8636 Well.. yeah It'd definitely be difficult to clarify.. But then That's the Doctors job. I tend to think that after seeing a patient for a few times they'd be able to make out whether the problem is simple negligent obesity or a health problem.. If something like that does get implemented.. the few people that are in fact penalized will become examples for others. I don't mean that in a mean way though.. but we all know the strain the cause to the system. I'm sure if we put our minds to it.. we could come up with a more realistic soultion... Well.. yeah It’d definitely be difficult to clarify.. But then That’s the Doctors job. I tend to think that after seeing a patient for a few times they’d be able to make out whether the problem is simple negligent obesity or a health problem..

If something like that does get implemented.. the few people that are in fact penalized will become examples for others. I don’t mean that in a mean way though.. but we all know the strain the cause to the system.

I’m sure if we put our minds to it.. we could come up with a more realistic soultion…

]]> By: Ross http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/obese-get-to-the-back-of-the-line-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-8632 Ross Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:18:41 +0000 http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/?p=1514#comment-8632 @Sandra - Hi there, thanks for taking the time to comment! It's great to have some feedback on this issue - definitely a tough one. I like how you've come up with one idea, and that is to identify those who are contributing to the problem by self neglect, and penalise them accordingly. One of the problems that arises out of this is identifying these people. How on earth would you begin to clarify who fits into this category, and who is exempt? I imagine it would be a very difficult process! Regardless, thanks for your thoughts.... @Sandra – Hi there, thanks for taking the time to comment!
It’s great to have some feedback on this issue – definitely a tough one. I like how you’ve come up with one idea, and that is to identify those who are contributing to the problem by self neglect, and penalise them accordingly.
One of the problems that arises out of this is identifying these people. How on earth would you begin to clarify who fits into this category, and who is exempt? I imagine it would be a very difficult process!
Regardless, thanks for your thoughts….

]]> By: Sandra http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/obese-get-to-the-back-of-the-line-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-8600 Sandra Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:10:27 +0000 http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/?p=1514#comment-8600 My first comment here.. Read your blog a fair bit from time to time though..more of a lurker I guess. I couldn't resist not commenting on this. I tend to feel a little sympathtic to obese people. If you look at it from a monetary view point then yeah.. the system is losing money, but: The problem with an approach like this is that the minority will suffer. there are a minority who are obese due to medical problems and not because they just didn't take care of their diet .. You can't really begin to ask people why they're obese before you put them behind the line.. it just isn't practical. If you do it without discrimination I.e every fat person should go behind the line.. then you'd be infringing the rights of the minority. Now.. how do we solve the problem? I'd say Doctors should single out people who are obese due to their own neglect. These people can then have some sort of "punishment".. perhaps a decrease in health benefits or something like that. My first comment here.. Read your blog a fair bit from time to time though..more of a lurker I guess.
I couldn’t resist not commenting on this.
I tend to feel a little sympathtic to obese people. If you look at it from a monetary view point then yeah.. the system is losing money, but:
The problem with an approach like this is that the minority will suffer. there are a minority who are obese due to medical problems and not because they just didn’t take care of their diet ..
You can’t really begin to ask people why they’re obese before you put them behind the line.. it just isn’t practical. If you do it without discrimination I.e every fat person should go behind the line.. then you’d be infringing the rights of the minority.

Now.. how do we solve the problem? I’d say Doctors should single out people who are obese due to their own neglect. These people can then have some sort of “punishment”.. perhaps a decrease in health benefits or something like that.

]]> By: Ross http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/obese-get-to-the-back-of-the-line-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-8253 Ross Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:59:41 +0000 http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/?p=1514#comment-8253 Hi Gabriela - thanks for your thoughts, definitely a complex problem, that's for sure.... Hi Gabriela – thanks for your thoughts, definitely a complex problem, that’s for sure….

]]> By: Gabriela http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/obese-get-to-the-back-of-the-line-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-8161 Gabriela Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:21:01 +0000 http://www.nurseinaustralia.com/?p=1514#comment-8161 What to do about this problem? - The Australian federal and state governments could start by subsidising naturopaths' consultations and medicines - as it is subsidising pharmaceutical and high-tech medicine - and thus enable a broader clientele to become educated about how to achieve their health goals. Clearly, whatever has been done over the past 30 years or so has not worked. There are healthy and empowering alternatives available: "Seeing the lighter side of overweight": http://www.brisbanenaturalmedicine.com.au/Artemisia_Natural_Medicine/Healthy_Weight_for_Life.html What to do about this problem? – The Australian federal and state governments could start by subsidising naturopaths’ consultations and medicines – as it is subsidising pharmaceutical and high-tech medicine – and thus enable a broader clientele to become educated about how to achieve their health goals. Clearly, whatever has been done over the past 30 years or so has not worked. There are healthy and empowering alternatives available: “Seeing the lighter side of overweight”: http://www.brisbanenaturalmedicine.com.au/Artemisia_Natural_Medicine/Healthy_Weight_for_Life.html

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